Super 8 Tour de Cyprus

Fellas,

The trip up the mountain is still on but there is a possibility it may have to be canned at the last minute due to accommodation problems.

So Craig, if it goes tits up at the last minute, shall we substitute it for Event 2? That way we def know we are playing a good game that night.

Let me know.

L8ers

AKQ

That was the thinking, myself and the man who played the best cards from event 1 had already discussed this... after hearing what ability those boys down at sgs had its a shame! the substitution is no problem but changing mental tact and focus is going to be an issue each player needs to address.

I don't remember iMac and myself dissussing it previously.... I must have had too many beers.

Will be leaving a 3pm and going up in 4 x 4s. Me and Muriel driving.

We will pick everybody up from their respective houses, no sure where Kingfish is living theses days?

Whoever has my chips will you pack them.

L8ers

AKQ

theres a chance bigbetts may have to withdraw through injury! Boris boom boom becker was scheduled to play the german leg of the european poker tour last week, though ended up getting coldfeet andwithdrew. My reasoning is whats the point in showing up? i won't be winning, plus bedrock's is having a happy hour not to be missed this friday down in napa..... when i say ayia you say NAPA..... ayia...brrrppppp

I would say that the collective have to thank AKQ in hooking up the trip up the mountain. Always nice to get away and see abit more of this island we take for granted!! Now talking poker and its clear that despite a joint 1st and 3rd that the Golf boys were'nt really onto the standard that the super 8 boys have evolved. I devised the super 8's to get away from pissed up, fag smoking every 10 minutes and prompting of ...... its on you shouts!! So in effect it was a throwback to the early days. I'm sure there was some good poker played in parts, although the muggings being handed out were quite high.
Just a brief mention of the Lloydy '88' hand where a ruling was required, is now doing the rounds on the Gutshot forum, this is accessed by

visiting http://www.gutshot.com/bforum/showthread.php?t=25616

Whilst travelling back I discussed with the car that the seedings were a reflection of last years play and just as in tennis we could adopt a 'race' system. Whereby players acrue points for the performances they put in, this doesnt have to be confined just to super 8 events although the weighting of these points will be higher in the '8's. So Des who came out of last night with credit (very debatable as he couldn't finish off Golf's answer to Carl Rylance) would pick himself up a little on the race. (this is not to get confused with the leaderboard) Carloss who was looking very good for back to back wins emerges with a small amount of 'slap on the backs' although we've seen this tendancy to do a 'Abdul allah Aqbal' and blow himself up whilst in control of tournaments. Imac made the final table only to find his AK was no good against 9 6 sooooooted so theres seeds 2/3/4 all fairing well. Lloydy shaped well and Dukey was tight early doors, lost a race then had abit of fun spinning his stack from 1.3k upto 9k only to fritter it like Jean Van De Velde in the Open at carnoustie in 99.

As for yours truly I'm just happy i've turned Jan's losses into a tiny profit, having run deep in 3 tournies online and placing 2nd in one whilst taking down a decent footy bet and its back to what betts does best... Profit. I can't say my live game is onsong, though I'm not in dissaray as i was entering event 1! A little confidence boosting win on the 2nd table gains the Profit and as I've heard so many times before... 'your only as good as your last game'

Event 2 looking like mid March, so its all round to Steff's/Courtney's and Mike Jeal's to raise the standard!!

yours in PROFIT BB

As per, Big Betts comes up with a very thought provoking and accurate summary.

Personally, I was very pleased with the way I played, coupled with extreme adversity, I ended up loosing my chips to one of our own..... you live and learn.

It was very nice to see 6 out of 8 Ay Nikkers on the final table, with the 2 'out of form' alternates remaining in their self imposed groove. I think less Harrington and statistics and more people watching and restraint, would probably go a long way to turning thier form round.

Dez did particularly well after he mugged my chips off me.....using the other table as foil for my semi-bluff was very unethical I thought. However, you live and learn and over a season things tend to even out.
I felt particularly agreived for iMac and the way he was totally mugged off by a complete amateur
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Who incidentally went on to mug off myself, Rich, Tim and Paul C, so maybe he was just milking his table image. as he did try and tell Dez how to play poker at one stage... Apparently, Dez only bets when he has a hand. Having had the dubious honour of dealing for the last 2 hours and took the necessary opportunity to look at everybodies folded hands; I know Dez doesn't always bet on certainties

Overall, it was good to get away and I look forward to being the TD on the return leg and inviting re-enforcments in Comedy C, Mike J, Courtney, Dave Thompson and Steff to step upto the plate and take it to them

Also, thought my inspired call to remove Scotty from the final table was top draw Farha!

Regards to all

AKQ

PS: I didnt fold that pair of As, I just wanted to see your faces.... :afro

This was the question Betts posted on gutshot

This query comes from a nl hold em home game last night and I would like to know the ruling, if there is a definitive one?
The blinds are 300/600 and its folded round to the cut off who flat calls, button folds and I'm the small blind who makes up the bet and the big blind dwells before raising to 1.2k. The cut off caller then makes it 5k to go. I quickly get out of the way before the bb dwells then calls. The flop comes down Qc 10h 6s, the bb checks and the cut off bets out 6k (leaving him around 4k). The bb goes into the tank, he has roughly 10k in chips. After mumbling to myself that he can't call and hes going to fold, he shows his cards (pocket 8's) face up onto the table. The rest of the table presume hes folded and matey from the cut off shows his Ace rag bluff and goes to scoop the pot.
Its at this point that the bb (realising hes ahead) states that he never actively folded and flipped his cards to get a read from the other player (is this allowed?). Thus ensues all sort of debates and statements about ethics/rulings and the like. Matey who was running the night, was clueless as to a ruling and it ended up being a free for all!!!

To start with;
I only said i was going to fold the hand 2 betts who was no longer in the hand!

I never declared to the table that i was going to fold at any time.

I turned my cards and rested them ontop of my chips behind the game line, saying "can you beat these" obviously to anyone that I was after a 'TELL'

As Paul started to turn his cards over I was the first one telling him to stop.

He actually said "you have got me" thinking that I was going ALL IN. (he told me while having a smoke that he thought I had gone all In, and was turning them over hoping for an Ace on the river)

It was only when Betts and Dukey 'who were not involved in the hand' started saying that I had folded did Paul then realise he still had a chance to get his chips back, and then he said after them that he thought I had folded.

As far as my cards go.....they would only have been dead once I threw them over the line "as we were using a Game table" or I announced "fold".

This happened b4 while playing @ Betts house I think it Involved AKQ Carlos and Dukey was there altho i'm not sure...and was normally pissed. Anyway I'm trying to find a link to a video of Daniel Negreanu doing the same thing in some televised comp...altho he never got a read and folded his hand.

Anyway I think the way betts question reads is a little misleading of the event and if you read some of the reply's Its clear they read it as some guy trying to cheat! or maybe i'm being a bit paranoid.

I admit that if Paul had not of turned his cards or had not given me a tell I would have folded.

I include my thanx to Carlos for a great evening up the mountain, although Im sure you are running out of Kings to come to your rescue as again you where behind b4 the flop. It appears to be AKQ's favourite hand (K,Q off) and plays them against against Low pockets and A,Q suited to win. ( at least you got a count this time Carlos) LOL.

So cheers for a great evening again.

its nice to see some interaction occuring on the forum. this has certainly proved to be an immotive subject.
my account is how I saw the hand played, there was no bias as to either player and the facts are there for all to read. i mention that you said only to myself you were going to fold and that no statement had been made to the table.
my view is that their are 2 issues at play within this, 1st as i mentioned on the nite their is no definitive ruling. this is due to no hand ever being played out textbook to the form of law. in our case the verbals from the players and the table were up in the air. as i've stressed before that the clear intention of what you are doing by clearing stating, call, fold or raise negate these trivialities.
2nd the inexperienced player you were up against could of been told anything and he would of gone with it. the need for a tournament director ruling is a must and then any comeback must fall on his/her shulders. in this case as in alot of cases the tournament director may not know the best option and it falls on 'an experienced player' at the table to mention a precident that has gone before, this is more than likely what happens with Negraneau who is playing outside the boundaries in the hand you mention.. due to his stature no one will challenge him although he his way out of line.
The previous occasion its happened in our home games was AKQ v Stevie Horne, the tournament director that night was getting oiled in the grove after taking a can of whoop ass from Muriel. (yes he did once knock somebody out) this case was Ste had flipped his AK before announcing call, as Carloss had pushed all his chips in previously.

having read the replies I know how I would see fit to make a ruling if this situation was to ever arise again.

one last question scotty is can you honestly say you were going to make that call or all in move off that board? would of been very interesting and to quote another player 'if he had flipped over QQ i'm sure your cards would of headed to the pack pronto!

i am only trying to resolve this matter in what is remember 'a friendly game' of bragging rights amongst friends.

I dont think we should let this incident overshadow what was essentially a nite of beatings being handed down by the superior troodos players, the ability to make opposition think you are clueless, so lulling them in, is one that I have been trying to perfect in my game and to see it working so expertly was a joy to behold. I was so moved by the play that I felt compelled to consume my body weight (Alot I know) in baileys.

Big thanks to Carl, and for the next tour I suggest Akrotiri primary school, it mite be easier to bully people there!! Plus Dukey and Carl will feel like giants!

just been having a look round the tinners and found this.... adding weight to a tough scenario...


http://www.thehendonmob.com/tournament_director/exposing_your_hand.html


enjoy.

bb